you can't do the paul ryan thing with the big asterisk and say -- >> what do you think? >> that's exactly the way you have to approach this. we do need -- first off, this issue is about 5, 10, 15 years from now, stablelizing the debt at less than 15% gdp and the essence getting entitlements under control in the out years. as part of that, you have to have tax reform and significant tax reform. and actually, simpson/bowles, a commission i served on, laid out a way to do it, got the tax rates down on the personal side to 9, 15 and 23% and the corporate to 26%. and you need to bring the corporate rate down to 24, 25, 26% and need to go to a territorial system. but you can't do that independent of the individual system, because if you have a huge gap between the top individual rate, say today it's at 42.5%, and if you took the corporate 25%, everybody started -- >> because then you have small business. small business got screwed at the expense of big businesses in the last tax bill. so you're right. so i -- look, i say, you're going to have big problems if you try to have a